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#1 ·
Just to break this out from the videos thread to a more sensible separate one for any more range discussion/debate:

johnd said:
Yes, certainly, what we're talking about is the range of 0-100% available battery capacity, whether that's 84kW, 90kW or whatever. The bit in your previous post that I'm not understanding is:

Tophe74 said:
...100% to 0% 10% then charging back to 100%...
I'm guessing there's a hyphen missing? Maybe you mean 0% to 10% (0%-10%), or maybe typically not wishing to drop below say 5% available capacity, except in event of emergency or miscalculation? In which case, yes I agree completely. So, to rewind my point:

Whatever range 0-100% of available battery capacity equates to, then you might typically only have eg 94-95% of that maximum range as routinely usable range, because (i) a limited charging period might have reached say only 98% rather than 100% AND you might prefer not to drop below 4-5% indicated range when you reach home or your recharging destination.

So, based on the figures currently available, routine range looks like 190-195 miles or thereabouts or say 300-320km in round numbers.
Tophe74 said:
No i mean i use battery from 100% to 0 - 10% almost every days.
There's another (slightly wooden but apparently official) JLR video snippet at:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLzxswS1I2A

which seems to say three things:

1. Expected range is 240 miles

2. The car can take as long to charge from 80 to 100% as from 0 to 80%.

3. It can charge on 7kW to 80% in 10 hours and to 100% in 13 hours. (Actually it's a little tricky to tell whether it's a UK or US video, it's flagged as uploaded by JLR USA but perhaps the information is UK sourced?? But I'm guessing it's referring to a 7kW AC charger?)

Fairly obviously, [2] and [3] seem to be at odds with one another. Anyone care to suggest which one is more correct?
 
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Jan073 said:
What do they mean with iPace light and heavy version ? Not the S,SE,HSE trim levels i presume ? So there is only 1 iPace or am I missing something ?
On the Jaguar I-Pace site, the company gives the two WLTP figures (TEH and TEL) with the following explanation: TEL refers to the lowest/most economical figures (with the lightest set of options). TEH refers to the highest/least economical figures (with the heaviest set of options). I'm guessing the TEH is the 'S' specification with driver only and everything thrown out that they are allowed to throw out, e.g. mats, tyre repair kit etc..
Lots of options are pretty heavy, e.g. 22" wheels, pano roof, max spec seats etc.. What I don't see in the JLR's explanation is whether TEH includes a full set of passengers. I'm sure that is covered somewhere in the WLTP definition documents.
 
#1,053 ·
R32Paul said:
Actual range Jaguar i-Pace in practice, between 270km - 555km

Customers will quickly notice on the basis of their driving behaviour and the temperature will differ so that the range will be less than the WLTP figures.

City Winter: 390km / 242mi
Highway Winter: 270km / 167mi
Combined Winter: 325km / 201mi
City Summer: 555km / 344mi
Highway Summer: 340km / 211mi
Combined Summer: 430km / 267mi

The actual range strongly depends on speed, driving behaviour, climate and route.
Excellent Information. Try and get that sort of detailed information for an ICE car.
 
#1,054 ·
Jacques-Noir said:
https://www.brusa.biz/en/products/charger/charger-400-v/nlg664.html

What is this? Perhaps something like this is comming in the near future for the I Pace?
Maybe for MY2021; They are going to need some good reasons to get us to swap our current cars for new ones. I suspect that they will also be able to offer improved battery technology and will be able to offer longer range and faster charging.
 
#1,055 ·
I placed an order for a FE at the end of November however I cancelled it, why you may ask?
Based on my experience of two full 2 day extended test drives I reckon the useable range driving as I would my Porsche Macan GTS ie air con on, heated seats as required and spirited driving within the speed limits, was only about 170 miles and that's to zero charge which is meaningless as that's like driving an ICE car until it runs out of fuel. The poor state of the UK charging infrastructure for away from home charging was another factor and frankly the third was when I opened my eyes to the build quality of what was an £80K iPace compared to the car I intended it to replace, a Porsche Macan GTS, there really is no comparison, the iPace is not in the same league unfortunately. Also another factor was reading the many posts here of the technical faults, blank screens and the "Eco" driving styles to get maximum range so I concluded the iPace was not for me, it's a shame as I honestly thought it would be good but alas no.

I have subsequently replaced my Macan GTS with another Macan, this time the 2L and the 2019 facelift model, it's not as quick but is perfectly adequate and has a range of 400 miles before thinking about refuelling and that leaves about 70 miles to go to empty. ( if I want a sporty drive I'm in the fortunate position of also owning a 911 (991.2) GTS) Granted the Macan costs more to run than iPace but at £60K v £80K for the iPace FE and with the same level of equipment it was better value for money in my opinion. I also wonder about the long term survival of Jaguar LR given the news last week.

Porsche will introduce Taycan this September and then in 2021 the second generation Macan will include an EV and that's what I'm hoping will be an SUV with a useable range of at least 300 miles between charges and by then hopefully the UKs charging infrastructure will be much improved and useable.
 
#1,056 ·
Hello, im new, i order my i-pace in september, in spain, in theory it is manufactured tomorrow, and arrive about 15 feb, im reading the forum since sept, as i see the major problem is software updates/fix speed release is ridiculous, and range, as i read in warm climates the range is very good, i hope here in spain the medium range is higher, than i read from many countrys in the north of europe, anyway in highway is low, and basically its my 80%, but my daily use is only 60 km.

I thought about canceling it because they do not seem to take seriously fixing things or communication, but the other option is the tesla model 3, and for me the materials/desing inside i dont think are good
 
#1,057 ·
OscarPS said:
Hello, im new, i order my i-pace in september, in spain, in theory it is manufactured tomorrow, and arrive about 15 feb, im reading the forum since sept, as i see the major problem is software updates/fix speed release is ridiculous, and range, as i read in warm climates the range is very good, i hope here in spain the medium range is higher, than i read from many countrys in the north of europe, anyway in highway is low, and basically its my 80%, but my daily use is only 60 km.

I thought about canceling it because they do not seem to take seriously fixing things or communication, but the other option is the tesla model 3, and for me the materials/desing inside i dont think are good
I have 3 months experience with my I-Pace and so far software updates has not been a critical issue for me .
Which matters is that I love driving the car , and my daily driving needs are compatible with the charging infrastructure private and public.
A few times a year I will go for a long range trip which is still complicated in some part of France where Ionity chargers have not yet been deployed, but it will be solved before the summer
 
#1,058 ·
My I-Pace has been updated to the latest software versions last week and I'm experiencing no issues what so ever since. Even the laggy infotainment has been improved significantly. The remote app works just fine with pre-conditioning planning and charging times as well.

It was to be expected that there would be software problems in the beginning, however I feel that they are getting a grip on them now. So ones things have settled in the stability area, I'm hoping that they will start dealing with improvements; range, charging speed, etc.
 
#1,059 ·
It's good to hear that you have solved the biggest bugs, Im fanatic of technology, i think for this price jaguar need release fast when any new bug (not small) appear and software improvements(like limit max charge), and about the laggy im happy read has been improved, here in spain basically not 100kw, 95% of chargers are 7-22kw AC (then i only can use 7), from valencia to madrid (about 400 km), there are only about 3 CSS chargers in the highway, and 50kw, and if one not work, you have big problem for goes to next, i hope this year this improve.

I buyed 18' wheels, basically because range, and as i read recently here, it has a good idea(i read difference of range in tesla model x, difference by wheels and seems big difference)
 
#1,060 ·
It is like anything new to the market for the first time. There is always teething problems. Having said that, I have been very lucky to have covered for 4000 miles with no major issues.
The car is to drive & own is absolute pleasure & have no doubt once you have it in yours, you will feel the same.
Audi are trying very hard for me to buy their e-Tron but think Jaguar is far more superior in its shape & curves ;)
 
#1,061 ·
OscarPS said:
It's good to hear that you have solved the biggest bugs, Im fanatic of technology, i think for this price jaguar need release fast when any new bug (not small) appear and software improvements(like limit max charge), and about the laggy im happy read has been improved, here in spain basically not 100kw, 95% of chargers are 7-22kw AC (then i only can use 7), from valencia to madrid (about 400 km), there are only about 3 CSS chargers in the highway, and 50kw, and if one not work, you have big problem for goes to next, i hope this year this improve.

I buyed 18' wheels, basically because range, and as i read recently here, it has a good idea(i read difference of range in tesla model x, difference by wheels and seems big difference)
Hello Oscar,
Do you know Easycharger?
The plan to open a new CCS in autovía de Valencia, not far from Madrid.
I hope this year we will see improvements on charging infrastructure in Spain.
 
#1,063 ·
PAGE7 said:
Hello Oscar,
Do you know Easycharger?
The plan to open a new CCS in autovía de Valencia, not far from Madrid.
I hope this year we will see improvements on charging infrastructure in Spain.
Hello, yes, i see in youtube and others companys who have planned in 1-2 years put a lot of chargers in spain, but for now is a promise(im sure they going put a lots, but no how much time for see in reality)
 
#1,066 ·
OscarPS said:
It's good to hear that you have solved the biggest bugs, Im fanatic of technology, i think for this price jaguar need release fast when any new bug (not small) appear and software improvements(like limit max charge), and about the laggy im happy read has been improved, here in spain basically not 100kw, 95% of chargers are 7-22kw AC (then i only can use 7), from valencia to madrid (about 400 km), there are only about 3 CSS chargers in the highway, and 50kw, and if one not work, you have big problem for goes to next, i hope this year this improve.

I buyed 18' wheels, basically because range, and as i read recently here, it has a good idea(i read difference of range in tesla model x, difference by wheels and seems big difference)
I agree with the other posts, you will absolutely love the car and you will not want to part with it. There are only a couple of negative points such as the fact that the gesture control of the tailgate is virtually useless and I have been struggling to get a good range more than 190 miles (300Km) in the UK with temperatures of about 7-12 deg C but I have come to the conclusion that the biggest negative influence on my range is driving at 80+ MPH (130KmPH) on a motorway. If I can resist driving at the same speed as other cars and keep to the speed limit the range increases significantly. I can hardly complain about the range compared to WLTP figures if I'm driving at those speeds but its so hard to resist!
 
#1,067 ·
Thincat said:
OscarPS said:
It's good to hear that you have solved the biggest bugs, Im fanatic of technology, i think for this price jaguar need release fast when any new bug (not small) appear and software improvements(like limit max charge), and about the laggy im happy read has been improved, here in spain basically not 100kw, 95% of chargers are 7-22kw AC (then i only can use 7), from valencia to madrid (about 400 km), there are only about 3 CSS chargers in the highway, and 50kw, and if one not work, you have big problem for goes to next, i hope this year this improve.

I buyed 18' wheels, basically because range, and as i read recently here, it has a good idea(i read difference of range in tesla model x, difference by wheels and seems big difference)
I agree with the other posts, you will absolutely love the car and you will not want to part with it. There are only a couple of negative points such as the fact that the gesture control of the tailgate is virtually useless and I have been struggling to get a good range more than 190 miles (300Km) in the UK with temperatures of about 7-12 deg C but I have come to the conclusion that the biggest negative influence on my range is driving at 80+ MPH (130KmPH) on a motorway. If I can resist driving at the same speed as other cars and keep to the speed limit the range increases significantly. I can hardly complain about the range compared to WLTP figures if I'm driving at those speeds but its so hard to resist!
I figured out the gesture control and for me it works almost 100%, the trick is to make the "kick" quick. Your foot should be under the bumper for a very short time.
 
#1,069 ·
Charged at FastNed 50 kw charger (near Rotterdam), temp 8 Celsius, start at 18:34.
Drove approx 45 km before starting to charge, at max 104 km/h, car was not full when left.
There were no other cars charging at this Fastned station

Time, Range, Battery, Estimated full time
18:34, 143 km, 49%, 21:20
18:38, 152 km, 51%, 21:18
18:41, 160 km, 54%, 21:15
18:44, 169 km, 57%, 21:13
19:00, 203 km, 69%, 20:59
19:04, 210 km, 71%, 20:56

Remote app mentioned at 19:01 it was adding 40% charge per hour.
Is that 40% of 90kw? or 40% of what is currently available?
Either way a 50 kw charger should add more than 40% per hour
40% of 90 kw, is 36 kw...
40% of (70% of 90kw), is 25 kw.

In half an hour, the car charged 67 km, that would be 134 km per hour.
A 50 kw charger for half an hour should add 25 kwh, right?
So that should have added 100 km of range, estimating 25kw/100km.

Percentage went up from 49% (44.1kw) to 71% (63.9 kw), which added 19.8 kw, that would be 39.6 kw per hour...not 50 kw...

Telematics software version 13.2
Infotainment S18C
 
#1,070 ·
Surface Effect said:
Jan073 said:
What do they mean with iPace light and heavy version ? Not the S,SE,HSE trim levels i presume ? So there is only 1 iPace or am I missing something ?
On the Jaguar I-Pace site, the company gives the two WLTP figures (TEH and TEL) with the following explanation: TEL refers to the lowest/most economical figures (with the lightest set of options). TEH refers to the highest/least economical figures (with the heaviest set of options). I'm guessing the TEH is the 'S' specification with driver only and everything thrown out that they are allowed to throw out, e.g. mats, tyre repair kit etc..
Lots of options are pretty heavy, e.g. 22" wheels, pano roof, max spec seats etc.. What I don't see in the JLR's explanation is whether TEH includes a full set of passengers. I'm sure that is covered somewhere in the WLTP definition documents.
No, both TEL and TEH must have been tested in the same set of conditions i.e. usually just the driver.

Also, TEL is defined as the lowest spec that returns the highest range, likely to be with 18" wheels, S spec.
TEH is the highest spec with all the options etc, likely to be with 22" wheels, HSE / FE spec. (although you can start with S spec and spec it up to make it the highest spec)
 
#1,071 ·
Pat28 said:
Remote app mentioned at 19:01 it was adding 40% charge per hour.
Is that 40% of 90kw? or 40% of what is currently available?
It is 40% of 85kWh.
Explanation: the i-Pace does have a 90kWh battery of however only 85kWh of that is so called "usable capacity". So in other words: a fully charged i-Pace battery will be able to provide 85kWh available energy in total. So you have to calculate the "% added charge per hour" value over 85kWh.
 
#1,075 ·
Chewy said:
This from a Tesla Model X.

After nearly 10000 miles of driving the average is 410Wh/mile. Not that different to the I-Pace even though some will tell you The I-Pace is 25% less efficient?
After 4500km (2800 miles) my average consumption is 245W/km (392W/mile). This is with 1500 km on highway and most of the time between 0 and 10° outside temp.
So for me the i-pace is definitly not worst than rhe model X.
 
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