Go British with Octopus Intellegent Go. Clive.

 

They are all compatible in that your hive charger will work just as well no matter who you buy the electricity from. I think you are saying that you cannot integrate Octopus Intelligent with the I Pace and I am not sure about whether you can integrate intelligent through the Hive charger?
Octopus still do some good tariffs, as well as Intelligent. However, last time I checked, EonNext had a better tariff.

 

Octopus are limited in that they only integrate with chargers they sell.

it also depends if you have solar panels and battery or not as to what is the best octopus tariff

I’m on octopus flux as I have solar panels and battery

can’t go intelligent as I have pod point and ipace neither of which are compatible to integrate with intelligent

I schedule the car to charge at the cheap night rate and can charge from solar when we have lots of sun

 

Their website says my car and charger are not compatible with Intelligent Octopus Go. Confused

 

They offer go which is not Intelligent, so you can still go with Octopus. As said by OBC John, I think Eon are cheaper, or at least were when I last checked.

 

I'm with E-on. Their "Next Drive" dual tarrif gives an overnight (midnight to 07:00) tarrif of 6.7p/kWh. I have no interest in linking my supplier with the charger (Pod Point in my case) or the car. I use the charger in dumb mode (charge when plugged in) and use the car to control when to charge.
KISS!

 

Have seen Eon although their latest offer is midnight to 6am and 7.5p off-peak. Still a possibility as the extra hour charging would be very useful for me as we share the same charger and only five hours is not quite enough sometimes.

 

I worked out when JLR stopped allowing Intelligent Octopus directly with the car, that it was still better for me to install a compatible charger, especially as I already had the necessary cabling in place, it just needed a different charger. My Zappi works with both Intelligent Octopus Go and Agile Octopus, and if I need a full 13 hour charge, then I get 13 hours at 7p/kWh which is where the saving to pay for the charger comes in. The other advantage of a compatible charger is that it doesn't matter which car I'm driving, so when I change cars, or if someone comes to stay that needs a charge, they all work. I've also benefitted from several free hours of charging with Octopus in the last month or so when there's plenty of renewable generation.

I do a lot of miles, 20k a year, so need as much low cost charging as possible. If you don't to do many, and can charge every night within the 5/6 hour window, then the extra cost probably isn't worth it.

 

Useful to know. I do the same 20k and so does the wife in the other I-Pace but we share the same charger so a bit of a pain so I sometimes us the granny charger too But that’s not always enough.

 

There is no best.

It depends very much on your usage pattern. Especially with solar or battery. With neither EON is quite good for many.

Octopus works for some on IOG and fewer on GO.

Fairly high mileage drivers may benefit from Octopus's £30 all you can eat tariff. No loading on the rest.

An issue which many overlook isn't the cheapness of your charging, it's the additional expense of everything else. Some multi rate tariffs have unfriendly daytime rates and SCs. This can be particularly important with any form of electric heating.

You can download your actual consumption in 30 min slots from Glowmarkt (no E) if you want to work out what you use when for a better view.

There is a reasonable offering from Fuse in some areas too.

 

With solar, I was looking at getting a quote recently and asked about integrating my car charger into the solar, something Zappi’s meant to be very good for. The salesman said they don’t recommend this though as import tariffs pay 15p/kWh compared to my export tariff while charging being 7p/kWh, therefore I would be 8p/kWh better off exporting the generated energy rather than using it.

The same cheap tariff also means I can’t make solar add up for me as my average cost per unit is only 12p/kWh at the moment.

 

If you export during the day at 15p and import at cheap rate (7p) at night to charge car and recharge solar batteries it works out very efficiently as it maximises exporting opportunity if the sun is out during day and ensures car and house battery are charged at cheapest time. I do this with IOG. I use very little of my solar generated power to run house during the day and when the sun is not out or at night the house runs on the solar batteries.

 

I am with Bob. I have a large solar array, large house batteries and two Zappi chargers. When we first had the Zappi's we used them to charge using only surplus electricity that otherwise we would have exported. This was a long time ago (relatively) and we got far less for export then the cost of even buying off peak electricity. However, now days they are just used as dumb chargers over night. (One of them is integrated to Intelligent Octopus). The house runs off the batteries during the day. Everything we make from the solar is exported and sold for 15 p/kW. Over night we buy at 7p/kW and charge the cars and the batteries during this time period. This was clearly a large capital investment, but for most of the year we run at an "energy profit", and only tend to pay during the peak winter months. Whether this works for other people will depend very much on their own circumstances.

 

Thanks for the insight, both. Maybe I’ve been looking at it from the wrong angle.

 

One thing I noticed in the Octopus terms is that they only (last year) allow the charging of one vehicle.

How and to what extent they may police it I have no idea, but it may be a consideration.

 

Yes I spotted that yesterday which would be an issue for me. Without connecting to the charger or the car I can’t see how they’d know. Cant take the risk myself though

 

I assume that is one vehicle at a time in case you have two chargers connected. We have two vehicles charging under IOG on one charger - so only one at a time. There is a toggle switch in the Ohme app which allows the switch of registered vehicle and the Ohme charger is integrated to IOG as you can operate the charger as a device from the Octopus app as required.

 

Just left Octopus Go they are no longer competitive, they do not allow fixed tariff EV, and their peak rate is one of the highest. I‘ve gone to EDF Drive, slightly higher EV rate by 0.5p kWh but peak is 5p per kWh less than Octopus. They also offer a free Sunday use scheme. OVO looks good also but my charger (PodPoint and the I-Pace) are not compatible with them.

 

At the end of the day, it depends on your setup. I, like others, have a solar array, batteries and heat pump all meaning that with what is generated, what is supplied from the batteries on cheap rate, what is charged up on cheap rate, my running costs average 5p per mile. Clive.

 

So have you calculated your ROI on that setup? Interested to know

 

I guess I’d be looking ideally at the off-peak being longer than 5 hours. So far think Eon offer 6 hours (used to be 7). The Anytime smart charging ones don’t seem compatible with my setup though.

 

IOG cheap rate (7p) is 6 hours - 11.30pm to 5.30am

 

Yes but for Intelligent your car or charger has to be compatible which mine are not. The Go without Intelligence is only 5 hours

 

Just been on the Eon website. 6 hours off peak at a similar rate to Octopus and the export rate is slightly better than Octopus.

 

I fixed for the 2nd time in March this year (Eon) with the intention of taking advantage of the new rates in the following quarter. I have delayed and looked again today and was shocked and disappointed that they have now dropped the Off Peak hours from 7 to 6. So I will stick with the current fixed until next year.

This seems to be a trend with all suppliers to drop the hours available. But, this is going to impact on planning and setting a full charge, when planning trips. Grrr.

 

60 amp supplies in this day and age!! Who's idea was that?

 

It was in the village I used to live in. I assume there was a substantial contribution to the large shiny new substation subsequently built and it was the compromise.

With the batteries, EV uptake, electric households becoming much more common available supplies may start to become limiting factors.

 

I’ve just gone with EDF fixed at 9p per kw between 12 and 5am until Sept 26. There are cheaper off peak ev tariffs but the main rate is about 5p per kw more than EDF. I just set the cheap charging period in the car. Also been putting washing and dishwasher on delay timers for after midnight. Saved c£60 per month.

 

I also try to always stick the washing machine, dryer and dishwasher on overnight. Saves quite a lot if you get in the habit of doing it. Make sure your smoke alarms are working though.

 

Hi I use Octopus Intelligent go with my MY 22 and Wallbox, no problem.
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That wont be 1/10/25 standing charge or peak rate. I found Octopus peak to be around 31p/kWh whereas EDF are 25.9p/kWh quite a difference

I’ve just gone with EDF fixed at 9p per kw between 12 and 5am until Sept 26. There are cheaper off peak ev tariffs but the main rate is about 5p per kw more than EDF. I just set the cheap charging period in the car. Also been putting washing and dishwasher on delay timers for after midnight. Saved c£60 per month.

Me too, the peak rate is much better than Octopus and you can fix.

 

Octopus prices we’d 1/10/25 for my area

 

Four weeks after starting with OVO, it’s sent me an email to say the 7p Charge Anytime rate is going from 7 to 14p. It is also introducing some new plans that have a monthly fee. The plans are not right for me so effectively my charging costs are going to double! Coincidentally, I’ve just read in the papers that OVO has some financial challenges and is not alone. My guess is that charging rates are going to rise in the years ahead to the same cost as petrol. Wouldn’t that be a surprise!!

 

The financial challenges are not really solvency risk (amongst the major Octopus are in the same boat). It's the monumental amount Ofgem require set aside to cover potential SOLR costs in the event of supplier failures.

The sole thing thing this actually protects is customers credit balances (and in a hugely expensive way). Many other ways of protecting client funds in a regulated manner are available. And much cheaper. They even lumber suppliers who are pay on bill in the same way.

As to charging costs the bigger worry for me is that any fast charging is required to call home. That gives an ability to know exactly who used how much and when. That enables easy rationing and charging at a different rate to include a fuel duty type cost. I am not saying that happens any time soon, just that it would be very easy to implement.

 

My Intelligent Go is 29.6 p off peak, although I never use it.
I to am concerned about possible electric fuel duty. It would be very easy to just tax all public charging (or all public charging faster than a certain speed) or just move to a black box based road pricing system.

 

Just for info the current charging regulations require a home smart charger to call home and provide details of charge delivered.

Pretty much any charge point is covered. It would enable the manufacturer to be charged or the meter owner to be charged.

I doubt anything will happen until EV take up is much higher but it's a risk with 24 bln in fuel duty.

(1) A relevant charge point must be configured so that on each occasion it is used, it measures or calculates—

(a)the electricity it has imported or exported (as the case may be), such measurement or calculation to be in watt-hours or kilowatt-hours; and

(b)the amount of time for which it is importing or exporting electricity.

(2) A relevant charge point must be configured in a way which enables the owner of the relevant charge point to view the information referred to in paragraph (1) by reference to—

(a)any occasion on which it was used to import or export electricity within the preceding 12 months;

(b)any month within the preceding 12 months;

(c)the entirety of the preceding 12 month period.

(3) A relevant charge point must be configured so that it is able—

(a)on each occasion it is used, to measure or calculate every one second the electrical power it has imported or exported (as the case may be), such measurement or calculation to be in watts or kilowatts; and

(b)to provide the information referred to in sub-paragraph (a) via a communications network.

(4) A relevant charge point must be configured so that—

(a)a figure measured or calculated in accordance with paragraph (1) or (3) above is accurate to within 10% of the actual figure; and

(b)any inaccuracies are not systematic. For the purposes of this regulation, an inaccuracy is systematic if, as a consequence of the design or manufacture of the