The worst 100% full estimate I have had has been 140 miles range. It is currently around 170 miles which is over 40% down on WLTP and 30% down on the dealer's estimate of 240 miles for 'real world' driving. I have not actively measured how far I can go yet, but I know that the range estimates can drop by 20 miles after 5 miles driving, so I am not hopeful. Most of my journeys are 6 - 100 miles, but I have made 2 longish journeys, both of which had problems with motorway chargers not working or being in use - leading to some serious range anxiety. Sitting in a health club car park at 9pm on a Saturday feeling relieved that at least I'd got to a rapid and working charger (15 miles left in battery), was somewhat offset by the regular arrival and departure of assorted hot hatches who seemed to be buying something from some other cars on the other side of the car park. None of the rapid chargers I have used have got near their supposed speeds - 35KW from 50KW chargers means it takes a lot longer to get the miles back into the battery. I don't want a petrol car with an engineered exhaust response, I want a BEV with a meaningful range and achievable charging rates.
Sadly the Jaguar CRC response is as useless as all their CRC responses. Personally I don't think they can say very much about official range figures and the discussion on WLTP is already done to death.
IMO, what Jaguar Cars should be doing is improving the range-o-meter.
This is NOT a range measurement regulated externally, but is a bit of code implemented in the delivered car as part of the product. The product is substandard, it does not adapt well to actual drivers behaviour and does not adapt well to external factors such as ambient temperature, actual battery pack temperature etc.
If Jaguar developed & delivered a better piece of range-o-meter software, then drivers confidence would be greatly improved and we could actually use it whilst driving.
Some websites seem to be better able to do this than Jaguar themselves........
Sadly the Jaguar CRC response is as useless as all their CRC responses. Personally I don't think they can say very much about official range figures and the discussion on WLTP is already done to death.
IMO, what Jaguar Cars should be doing is improving the range-o-meter.
This is NOT a range measurement regulated externally, but is a bit of code implemented in the delivered car as part of the product. The product is substandard, it does not adapt well to actual drivers behaviour and does not adapt well to external factors such as ambient temperature, actual battery pack temperature etc.
If Jaguar developed & delivered a better piece of range-o-meter software, then drivers confidence would be greatly improved and we could actually use it whilst driving.
Some websites seem to be better able to do this than Jaguar themselves........
I find that the GOM in my car very accurately reflects the previous driving style I use. If I fly around everywhere then it correctly shows a low range when I charge back to 100%. If I drive carefully, then this is reflected in the GOM when I next fully charge with a greater range.
When you use the built in SatNav it does appear to look at topography and driving style and will decide if charging is needed on the route. The bit that annoys me is that you cannot set the min charge level below 20% for the destination, even if you are arriving at home or know that there is a charger at your destination. This can result in the SatNav system diverting you a long way off your desired choice to force you to charge your car. The SatNav will display your current charge level at your current location, but does not display charge level at the destination nor at waypoints, even though it must be aware of these.
For info, Tesla GOM just shows a typical range value when charged to 100% and does not take into account previous driving style. But, like the Jaguar, the SatNav does look at the route programmed and will decide if you need to divert to a charger, this being based on topography. With Tesla mapping you cannot add your own waypoints, it only does A to B.
I cannot for certain say if Jaguar or Tesla take into account the ambient temperature or whether the battery has been preconditioned. Perhaps this is a question for Jaguar CRC to answer for I-Pace owners.
The larger point is that the GOM is a predictor. It works with limited data (the most recent miles driven and kWh consumed) and it absolutely cannot read your mind, such as "I'm going to turn on the AC now" and "I'm going to be driving a bit more testily today because my day sucked" and it doesn't know whether it will be snowing in the next couple of hours. I could go on.
Predictors cannot possibly be perfect because of limited data and confounders. Otherwise we'd all be betting millionaires. So get over it and get used to the fact that your GOM mileage will vary.
Same for me. Did a 211km trip, started at 95% without preconditioning and if I calculated GOM minus remaining route, it stayed between 33 and 37km all the way. Made me feel certain that I would make it home easily. Maybe it helped that I drove the same route in the morning in the other direction. Speed between 100 and 130km/hour on highway.
400 mile round trip this weekend and the GOM was extremely accurate once we were running in LPM mode, this was noticeable especially at the beginning of our journey when range seems to tumble quickly when not using LPM, however we don't precondition so that may explain these findings.
Buy a stripped I-Pace and drive like a Prius-Eco-Fanatic in the city, and I bet you get WLTP.
Buy a loaded I-Pace with 2 people in it, and drive it "like a Jaguar" and I guarantee you won't.
I played with Hypermiling the I-Pace is a very crowded urban area, and I could easily break 300 miles in a fully loaded FE.
I actually get 200 miles when I drive it like a luxury performance sedan.
While I like to 'enjoy' my I-Pace, I got a call after my post above to go get some test samples from a customer.
But because I posted that, I decided to see what the indicated range was on a 12°C mid-morning with an FE wearing 20" tires. Overcast incoming storm and windy.
Rules: I was not to hang out in the slow lane. I was not to impede traffic. I set the ACC at 75 mph (speed limit is 65mph). I was not to monkey around or pass people unnecessarily (errr... I did make a 103mph blast when somebody tried to keep me from a lane change).
I preheated the car at 23°C and topped it off at 100%. Car claimed 202 mile of range on the GoM.
The trip starts at 800' elevation, climbs to 1200', then drops to 50'. Canyon winds, round trip of 62.2 miles. 3 stops at customer sites. Climate at 23°C, radio on, eco mode.
What did the car report? 1hr28m due to congestion and my 3 stops.
79% SOC.
162 miles on GoM.
I don't necessarily believe it. But let's see: 21% went 62.2 mi. So 100% would be 296 miles? Really? Maybe. I tested how accurate the % SOC meter was, and I calculated results that show the top 50% is more juice than the bottom 50%. ie - 50% is not 50%, it's 56%/44%
I didn't do any magic tricks. No drafting. No blocking traffic, stayed away from trucks. Didn't slow down for cops when I was speeding. And I'm reporting exactly what the car said on a round trip. I just drove with far less enthusiasm than I like. It's a great car to putt about in, but it is an excellent car to play in.
The moral to the story? Who the heck wants to drive a Jaguar like a Prius? If you DO like it, the WLTP numbers are not far off.
While I like to 'enjoy' my I-Pace, I got a call after my post above to go get some test samples from a customer.
But because I posted that, I decided to see what the indicated range was on a 12°C mid-morning with an FE wearing 20" tires. Overcast incoming storm and windy.
Rules: I was not to hang out in the slow lane. I was not to impede traffic. I set the ACC at 75 mph (speed limit is 65mph). I was not to monkey around or pass people unnecessarily (errr... I did make a 103mph blast when somebody tried to keep me from a lane change).
I preheated the car at 23°C and topped it off at 100%. Car claimed 202 mile of range on the GoM.
The trip starts at 800' elevation, climbs to 1200', then drops to 50'. Canyon winds, round trip of 62.2 miles. 3 stops at customer sites. Climate at 23°C, radio on, eco mode.
What did the car report? 1hr28m due to congestion and my 3 stops.
79% SOC.
162 miles on GoM.
I don't necessarily believe it. But let's see: 21% went 62.2 mi. So 100% would be 296 miles? Really? Maybe. I tested how accurate the % SOC meter was, and I calculated results that show the top 50% is more juice than the bottom 50%. ie - 50% is not 50%, it's 56%/44%
I didn't do any magic tricks. No drafting. No blocking traffic, stayed away from trucks. Didn't slow down for cops when I was speeding. And I'm reporting exactly what the car said on a round trip. I just drove with far less enthusiasm than I like. It's a great car to putt about in, but it is an excellent car to play in.
The moral to the story? Who the heck wants to drive a Jaguar like a Prius? If you DO like it, the WLTP numbers are not far off.
I could not agree more with Jelle. The charging situation on the I-Pace realy sucks. The promised 100kW I have never seen on any fast charger, the best I achieved was 65Kw, which dropped already at 50% charge level. The single phase AC charging makes the whole situation even worse, destination charging is no option. The fact that in NL there are not enough fast chargers and the role out of Ionity chargers keeps on slipping, makes this car at most a very expensive "city car", completely unsuitable for long distance travel. In the 4 years I drove Tesla I never had to wait at any charging station including the heavily used Amsterdam supercharger. With FastNed the chance you have to wait is over 70%. When is Jaguar going to listen to their customers and offer a 3 phase AC charging upgrade? What is Jaguar doing to increase the availability of fast chargers in Europe. Why does Jaguar communicate so poorly with their customers? Stop with bullshitting about WLTP measurements, face reality be honest to your customers an provide solutions to make this a practical EV which is a genuine Tesla competitor.
I could not agree more with Jelle. The charging situation on the I-Pace realy sucks. The promised 100kW I have never seen on any fast charger, the best I achieved was 65Kw, which dropped already at 50% charge level. The single phase AC charging makes the whole situation even worse, destination charging is no option. The fact that in NL there are not enough fast chargers and the role out of Ionity chargers keeps on slipping, makes this car at most a very expensive "city car", completely unsuitable for long distance travel. In the 4 years I drove Tesla I never had to wait at any charging station including the heavily used Amsterdam supercharger. With FastNed the chance you have to wait is over 70%. When is Jaguar going to listen to their customers and offer a 3 phase AC charging upgrade? What is Jaguar doing to increase the availability of fast chargers in Europe. Why does Jaguar communicate so poorly with their customers? Stop with bullshitting about WLTP measurements, face reality be honest to your customers an provide solutions to make this a practical EV which is a genuine Tesla competitor.
I could not agree more with Jelle. The charging situation on the I-Pace realy sucks. The promised 100kW I have never seen on any fast charger, the best I achieved was 65Kw, which dropped already at 50% charge level. The single phase AC charging makes the whole situation even worse, destination charging is no option. The fact that in NL there are not enough fast chargers and the role out of Ionity chargers keeps on slipping, makes this car at most a very expensive "city car", completely unsuitable for long distance travel. In the 4 years I drove Tesla I never had to wait at any charging station including the heavily used Amsterdam supercharger. With FastNed the chance you have to wait is over 70%. When is Jaguar going to listen to their customers and offer a 3 phase AC charging upgrade? What is Jaguar doing to increase the availability of fast chargers in Europe. Why does Jaguar communicate so poorly with their customers? Stop with bullshitting about WLTP measurements, face reality be honest to your customers an provide solutions to make this a practical EV which is a genuine Tesla competitor.
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i think you will find the main problem is that Tesla have not opened up their charging points to all!! This is something that the EU/UK (don't get me started on the B word) need to enforce. If Elon is really that keen on changing the world then he would do it anyhow. Having said that 160 miles with 61 left on the gom is nothing to grumble at driving at normal speeds on a combined route.
i think you will find the main problem is that Tesla have not opened up their charging points to all!! This is something that the EU/UK (don't get me started on the B word) need to enforce. If Elon is really that keen on changing the world then he would do it anyhow. Having said that 160 miles with 61 left on the gom is nothing to grumble at driving at normal speeds on a combined route.
Tesla has always said that if other manufacturers are prepared to help with the installation and running of the Superchargers then they would open them up. BMW were talking to them at one time. I have asked Jaguar, but no reply. At the moment, Model S and Model X owners have paid for the Superchargers as part of the higher price they paid for their cars.
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