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Harry's Garage I-Pace review

Post by PS702 » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:05 pm

I always love his reviews


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Re: Harry's Garage I-Pace review

Post by IRace » Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:52 pm

No ipace owner ever said after two failed DC fast charge attempts: Let's go to Ecotricity :P


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Re: Harry's Garage I-Pace review

Post by Buzzer » Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:54 pm

IRace wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:52 pm
No ipace owner ever said after two failed DC fast charge attempts: Let's go to Ecotricity :P
😂😂
Not a bad review, and I do watch most of his YouTube’s. he is right on the charging network, most of use here have looked into the charging networks and worked it out. Harry here is very motor savvy but not so experienced in using the charging network and just shows how much of a challenge it is going to be in converting people. And again showing how Tesla have got it right.
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Re: Harry's Garage I-Pace review

Post by fa147 » Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:14 pm

I think his review is fairly balanced but I wish he had ended with:

“The current state of the public charging is not where it needs to be and Tesla are closest to getting it right. However, for those that are able to install at home/work charging and don’t need to travel more than 200/220 miles a day, public charging may only be a problem once, twice a year when you come to travel longer distances and, given all the other benefits of an EV, those instances can easily be forgiven/tolerated.”
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Re: Harry's Garage I-Pace review

Post by SammyD » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:10 pm

fa147 wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:14 pm
I think his review is fairly balanced but I wish he had ended with:

“The current state of the public charging is not where it needs to be and Tesla are closest to getting it right. However, for those that are able to install at home/work charging and don’t need to travel more than 200/220 miles a day, public charging may only be a problem once, twice a year when you come to travel longer distances and, given all the other benefits of an EV, those instances can easily be forgiven/tolerated.”
What you say is very true but...
The old argument that says.... But I just go everywhere when I want to with ICE. I don't have to think/plan ahead for charging when it is beyond one battery range.
I had this thrown at me yesterday while on a course at West Dean College. I counter by saying...
"How often do you actually do that?"
"I don't know but I can if I want to"

It is that mindset we have to overcome

The article in Saturday's Times wasn't much better. They went on about the extra weight of EV's causing more brake and tyre dust. That totally ignores the effects on regen braking which is especially effective when using High Regen. One pedal driving is a joy.
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Re: Harry's Garage I-Pace review

Post by Tophe74 » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:44 pm

Yes, after 20000 km am sure my brakes are almost still new.
My rims have almost no brakes dust compared to my previous ice cars
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Re: Harry's Garage I-Pace review

Post by elbocko » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:27 pm

I am also a subscriber to his channel, but I think he did show a lack of knowledge regarding electric vehicles and the I-Pace, which is not surprising if he is new to it. He said it was not his vehicle, so it is likely that the GOM had been reset and was not attuned to his driving. He seemed unaware that the vehicle modifies the GOM as it learns driving style, and more significantly, regular routes. He seemed surprised that travelling faster on motorways is more fuel hungry than travelling slower on non-motorway routes. It is nothing to do with the lack of regeneration on motorways, simply the increased consumption due to air resistance at faster speeds; ICE cars also suffer reduced fuel consumption as average speed increases. Perhaps as he gets used to it, if he is keeping it, and gets used to forward planning and avoiding Ecotricity (reliability) and Ionity (price) he will be able to use it more and be happier with it.
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Re: Harry's Garage I-Pace review

Post by scm » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:49 pm

elbocko wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:27 pm
... He seemed surprised that travelling faster on motorways is more fuel hungry than travelling slower on non-motorway routes. It is nothing to do with the lack of regeneration on motorways, simply the increased consumption due to air resistance at faster speeds; ICE cars also suffer reduced fuel consumption as average speed increases.
I don't think he was surprised, as he could explain why it was happening. And ICE cars compensate to some extent for the increased drag by using higher gearing for motorway cruising.


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Re: Harry's Garage I-Pace review

Post by IRace » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:09 pm

It's not that an ICE car compensates for highway speed through its gearing. It's just overall so inefficient at low speeds that the consumption difference is smaller. As EVs are so efficient at low speeds, you really notice the increased drag on the highway in your consumption.


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Re: Harry's Garage I-Pace review

Post by fa147 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:28 am

But the issue with EVs is not their efficiency or otherwise at motorway speeds, it’s the time taken to re-charge once their are depleted. If the charging time was the same as a petrol/diesel car then it wouldn’t matter how efficient or inefficient they were.

As such range becomes an issue because the shorter the range the quicker you have to stop and be stopped for longer. This is why efficiency is such a topic of conversation with current ICE owners looking at EVs. If you ever ask an ICE owner how efficient their current car is, they’ll just shrug their shoulders and say “I don’t know/I don’t car”, which really suggest the main factor against EV adoption is not cost but time.

Nonetheless, what he missed in his piece was that most of the time (95-98%) EV users save time because they charge at home when the car is doing nothing else. Which means they don’t have to drive to “fill-up” stations most of the time. Of course then that means that your commute has to be less than 200+ miles, but apart from sales/marketing people, mkst people’s commute is much less than 200+ miles.

Therefore, the inconvenience of the long journeys taken 2-3 times a year are more than surpassed with the convenience and benefits gained from the rest of the 95-98% of the time, and that is what was missed from his conclusions.
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