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DougTheMac
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Re: I-Pace range

Post by DougTheMac » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:45 pm

emgf wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:19 am
EDi99 wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:25 am
For a long one-day trip of appr. 1.000 km a schedule of driving between 2 and 2,5 hours followed by between 20 and 30 minutes charging is very relaxing. Ample time for a coffee or toilet visit. What we've learned over time is that it is better to stop more frequently and charge shorter compared to charge above 80% and drive longer between stops.

To be able to drive like that, it's needed that there are:
- enough, frequent charge locations with multiple chargers (otherwise there is a risk you have to wait).
- chargers should be (>) 100kW - otherwise it takes too long to charge
- reliable chargers (preferably with online real-time info about availability) - that enables you to arrive at 5% SoC or lower.
- a battery size large enough to take you appr. between 225 and 250 km with max 80% SoC, in almost any weather condition (otherwise you have to stop to often)

Usually on such a trip we depart at 100% SoC from home or hotel (a fast enough in-car charger is needed for that ) and also stop for lunch or dinner for more than 30 minutes allowing us to charge up to 100% SoC again. Recently we dit a trip Amsterdam-Berlin (800km) with just one lag of 300km between stops (avg 122 km/hr) - all others were appr. 200km or shorter.
I totally agree with your charging strategy
And I totally agree with your comments on doing a long trip.

I'm sure I'd find 20-30mins charging every 2-2.5hrs reasonably ok. But isn't that a little optimistic? Unless you are driving pretty slowly, you will need at least 50% charge every 2hr? Can you really put that in in 20mins? That's 120kW... But I take your basic point.

Your list of requirements for long-trip driving is spot-on.

Unfortunately, in the UK at least, the required infrastructure just isn't here yet. We have quite a lot of charge points, but very few with multiple CCS on the same site. Only a couple of 100kW chargers in the country. Unreliable chargers - especially Ecotricity, which has the monopoly of on-Motorway charge points. Some have on-line real-time availability, but even if that works, you still can't rely on a single charger being available when you get there. So on a long trip, you just can't afford to get down to 5% en route. And to avoid Ecotricity, you have to drive off the Motorway, maybe only a couple of miles, but still an overhead in time and energy consumption.

I'm planning a longish trip for just after I get my car - only c280M each way, so only one charge - but the very fact that it requires "planning" is indicative of the immature state of our infrastructure. My wife's low opinion of EVs will be amplified if we end up spending 3hrs at an AC charger without a restaurant in sight...
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JonB
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Re: I-Pace range

Post by JonB » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:12 pm

I have just driven 118.7 miles in my first decent length trip with two adult passengers and myself. Outside temperature was about 8 degrees with no pre-conditioning. The first part of the journey was 44.9 miles long, about 20 miles of which was in London rush hour, the rest M11, M25 and A12, average speed 27mph, taking 1 hr 46 mins with energy consumption of 2.5mi/kwh and regeneration of 2.2kw/h. The second part of the journey was about half dual carriageway with the rest single carriageway A road, with a total distance of 73.8 miles. It took 1 hr 54 minutes, average speed 41mph with energy consumption of 2.55mi/kwh and 4.6 kwh regenerated.
I started with 98% battery and ended with 41%.
My maths is not brilliant but working on the basis that the total battery is 83.4kw I make that a total range of about 208 miles in these conditions with my driving style. For you maths wizzes out there is that about right, and if so what do you make of that sort of range generally? I wasn't breaking the speed limit as I have points on my license, but I also wasn't holding back on speed anywhere.


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Re: I-Pace range

Post by Pete » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:35 pm

JonB wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:12 pm
I have just driven 118.7 miles in my first decent length trip with two adult passengers and myself. Outside temperature was about 8 degrees with no pre-conditioning. The first part of the journey was 44.9 miles long, about 20 miles of which was in London rush hour, the rest M11, M25 and A12, average speed 27mph, taking 1 hr 46 mins with energy consumption of 2.5mi/kwh and regeneration of 2.2kw/h. The second part of the journey was about half dual carriageway with the rest single carriageway A road, with a total distance of 73.8 miles. It took 1 hr 54 minutes, average speed 41mph with energy consumption of 2.55mi/kwh and 4.6 kwh regenerated.
I started with 98% battery and ended with 41%.
My maths is not brilliant but working on the basis that the total battery is 83.4kw I make that a total range of about 208 miles in these conditions with my driving style. For you maths wizzes out there is that about right, and if so what do you make of that sort of range generally? I wasn't breaking the speed limit as I have points on my license, but I also wasn't holding back on speed anywhere.
I would come to same range (208 miles)
I would say 0.98-0.41= 0.57. 119/0.57=208 if we assume that battery percentage is lineair.

I get same range at those speeds. When I drive 80mph it drops below 200 miles


Pete
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Re: I-Pace range

Post by Pete » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:40 pm

This site seems to quite accurately report consumption and range depending on speed, tyre (wintertires have huge impact), and temperature.

https://www.ecalc.ch/evcalc.php


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Re: I-Pace range

Post by jason.birchall » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:46 pm

North Wales to Manchester this evening, 10 degrees and often high motorway speeds. Average was actually 60mph as came down whilst sat still at end of journey. Low regen and no cruise control, 4 in car. Easier to cruise and accelerate taking into account topography. No Aircon just fans on low and 23 degrees, eco mode. No Lane departure. Tire pressure 40psi.

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jwhaar
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Re: I-Pace range

Post by jwhaar » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:01 am

At delivery I got this memo with JLR’s experience in range. It states clear differences in season and road types.

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It’s Dutch but the numbers don’t need translation.

My personal experience is a range of 350km with Comfort / Eco setting, 18” wheels and 70% highway with lots of 100km cruise control zones.


R32Paul
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Re: I-Pace range

Post by R32Paul » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:42 am

Actual range Jaguar i-Pace in practice, between 270km - 555km

Customers will quickly notice on the basis of their driving behaviour and the temperature will differ so that the range will be less than the WLTP figures.

City Winter: 390km / 242mi
Highway Winter: 270km / 167mi
Combined Winter: 325km / 201mi
City Summer: 555km / 344mi
Highway Summer: 340km / 211mi
Combined Summer: 430km / 267mi

The actual range strongly depends on speed, driving behaviour, climate and route.
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Re: I-Pace range

Post by R32Paul » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:55 am

Now there are 1,000 Jaguar i-pace on the road! And we count more every day. Customer first read that the i-pace would have a range, according to the NEDC, of 543km, then we get the results of the WLTP with a range of 480 that was later adjusted to 470km. Now that we are driving more and more, we also receive more feedback about the range with current weather conditions between 270km and 390km. Gragg we inform you to deal with this.
WLTP

The WLTP driving cycle is divided into four parts with different average speeds: low; average, fast and very fast. Each part includes a variety of row phases, stops, accelerations and braking. Of every type of car, every powertrain (engine and gearbox combination) is tested, with a WLTP outcome for the car in its lightest version (the most economical) and heaviest version (least economical).

The WLTP was developed with the aim to be used as a global test cycle for various regions in the world. So that CO2 emissions from polluting substances on the world scale would also be comparable. Although the WLTP indeed has a global common xxxx, the EU and other regions will apply the test in different ways, depending on legislation for road traffic needs.
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Jan073
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Re: I-Pace range

Post by Jan073 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:25 am

What do they mean with iPace light and heavy version ? Not the S,SE,HSE trim levels i presume ? So there is only 1 iPace or am I missing something ?
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Pete
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Re: I-Pace range

Post by Pete » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:47 am

They seemed to have copied results from ev-database

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