Enschede (NL) to Berlin and back

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r0bs0n
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Enschede (NL) to Berlin and back

Post by r0bs0n » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:07 pm



npritchard
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Re: Enschede (NL) to Berlin and back

Post by npritchard » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:15 pm

Can I see it in English some how? Chrome not offering to translate it for some reason?
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Re: Enschede (NL) to Berlin and back

Post by tomsurfer » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:24 am

Right click and the pop up menu "Translate to English" works for me.
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Re: Enschede (NL) to Berlin and back

Post by Bart » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:01 am

This looks rather promissing!

In the graph he describes the distance travelled with regard to battery-load.
Roughly it descends from 75 to 10 kWh, with two charges of 20 and 23 kWh resp.
So overall 65 + 20 + 23 kWh for 515 km, makes 21 (20,97) kWh/100 km


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Re: Enschede (NL) to Berlin and back

Post by DutchIpaceOwner » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:57 am

Very nice article! Quick summary:
- avg power consumption driving with cruisecontrol 110km/u (~94km/h) for 276km: 21,8kWu/100km
- on the return the adaptive cruisecontrol is set to 130km/h but traffic causes a lot of breaking/accelerating. Power consumption drastically increases; avg 29,8kWu on a trip of 32km, with avg speed 112km/h. The author is going to inform with Jaguar what is causing this (this is still a demo car without the final software)
- fast-charge in this version of the car is limited to 80kWu, this will be 100 with the first consumer cars.
- lane keeping assist does a very nice job on the highways
- 3d nav with 3d buildings seems very usefull in practice
- i-pace drivers can sign up for 40eu/month for charging with plugsurfing. Seems like AC charging is 100% included and DC charging is free for the first 30 minutes (does not say if this is per sessions or per month). The ionity network is included, and this should span 400 charge sites by the end of 2019.

This car had 20" wheels, he states that 18" will will extend range with 10%.


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Re: Enschede (NL) to Berlin and back

Post by Tophe74 » Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:50 am

Thx for this summary. Very interesting indead.
At 130 with a lot of desceleration and then acceleration i don't find 29.8 abnormal. U get back much less energy when u descelerate than u use to accelerate. Don't forget the car's weight of 2200kg.
The best is to maintain a constant speed.
So in this case i think its better to not use acc but try to maintain constant speed by taking distance and anticioating if u want more range.
Its the same with an ice car but nobody care of range because their is plenty and u can refuel anywhere and fast.
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Re: Enschede (NL) to Berlin and back

Post by r0bs0n » Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:56 am

Do keep in mind this author is a Jaguar employee, training dealers on the car. This means his findings will be biased.


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Re: Enschede (NL) to Berlin and back

Post by Gdank » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:44 pm

r0bs0n wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:56 am
Do keep in mind this author is a Jaguar employee, training dealers on the car. This means his findings will be biased.
So are the pictures biased too? :D :lol:


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Re: Enschede (NL) to Berlin and back

Post by Gdank » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:51 pm

Translation (just using google translate)

On 21 June I received an invitation from the Dutch Embassy in Berlin to come and see the NOAH circular car from the TU / ecomotive on 23 July 2018. Because many Germans from my network would come here, I signed up, not knowing that I could drive here from the Netherlands with the new Jaguar I-Pace. A unique opportunity to try and test the I-PACE extensively.

First of all I want to thank Jaguar dealer, Münsterhuis Exclusive in Hengelo, for making their demo available.

Since I will soon be giving training to employees of various Jaguar dealers, this trip to Berlin was a perfect preparation for this. I can also provide the instructors of Prodrive who on behalf of Jaguar Netherlands the car buyers know how to make use of all the intelligence in the car even better information. I-PACE buyers also receive a real driving instruction from Prodrive. This is not only useful, but also necessary, now that today's cars have many tools and systems that can make driving more economical and safer. However, research shows that most drivers make relatively little use of ADAS systems (Advanced Driving Assistant Systems). Jaguar finds (rightly) that this can / should be better and therefore offers this program.

Sunday morning July 22 I start preparing for the journey early by charging the I-PACE to the quick charger. Normally I charge of course at night, but because of the lack of fast chargers in my nearby environment, I went to the nearest fast charger in the neighborhood. Actually also not bad, because now I could immediately test my new Maingau charge card that I had just received.
After this quick loading session on Sunday morning I drove from Enschede over Almelo to Zwolle to bring the electric camper that was used in Assen on the TT circuit back to Zwolle. Before I actually start my trip to Berlin, I first recharge it at Fastned Lonnekermeer.

Here I charge in 45 minutes, 45 kWh at an average of 49.09 kWh. The charger has a capacity of 50 kW, so this could not have been faster. I know that Jaguar has limited the fast charging for the moment to 80 kW power. This is because most manufacturers of the fast chargers have not yet implemented the software update necessary for loading the I-PACE.

After I have finished loading, I program Berlin into the navigation system. In addition to the route to the destinations, five options for fast charging the car are also displayed. Via the menu "edit the trip" I remove four, leaving only the quick charger close to Wolfsburg.
After approx. 54 km the consumption is on average 24.0 kWh, which at first glance seems to be very high considering the average speed driven. I had already noticed that consumption after 10 km was 28 kWh average. However, the consumption continues to decrease in the display as the number of kilometers being driven increases. Short test drives say relatively little about the consumption to be realized !!

After 276 km I go to load near Wolfsburg, free one also at the competition: Volkswagen! VW Financial Services has created a kind of loading square here. There are 4 double AC chargers and two 50 kW fast chargers, which are neatly displayed in the navigation system. Well 3 km from the highway, but yes it is free, so I do not mind the 6 km detour. The consumption on the first part of the route I note at 21.8 kWh / 100 km. While driving, consumption has fallen even more significantly. Maximum use of ADAS delivers a drive score of 99% efficiency! (unfortunately 1 x must brake themselves).

With 239 km to go, I now only add up to about 70%. More is not necessary, after all, given the hustle and bustle on the road and my average consumption, I have enough to get to Berlin.

At 24:00 am I am in Berlin and I can load right at my hotel on a 22 kW AC charger from Innogy. I found this in the App: Jaguar Public Charging, which was set up together with Plugsurfing for I-PACE drivers.

The next morning at 9:00 am the car is recharged to 93% and I drive 500 meters further to the Dutch Embassy.

The reception starts at half past nine. After the official program, at the request of many people present who had already seen the I-PACE with yellow license plates, I parked the Jaguar next to the NOAH in the courtyard of the embassy building. In addition to many questions from the students there were also praising words from the people of NXP who delivered quite a bit of chips for this car. Especially the build quality impresses.

I start the return journey at 2 PM. My strategy is a bit different now. Yesterday evening I chose to load 1 x, now I want to drive for 2 hours and then load. Then I would have to load 2 times and a charge should take 30 and 20 minutes respectively. Per load session enough time for coffee and a toilet visit, but not so long that it irritates.

Note that this is at the current loading speeds. As soon as there is 100 kW payload (the cars that customers will be driving from the end of August), a loading session with a fast charger that can do this will take a maximum of 10 to 15 minutes when loading is done after two hours of driving!

Impressive and also useful is the 3D representation of the navigation screen, with the contours of the buildings in the city. This really helps with the orientation. The most beautiful buildings are even more detailed, so you also get a little history lesson.

After 20 km I drive out of Berlin and can, as shown on the left, start driving again with all ADAS systems switched on. Both adaptive cruise control and lane keeping assist (also sends very well independently) ensure a relaxed ride to my first charging stop. (I skipped the stop indicated in the picture in the picture, I had forgotten to delete it).

I arrive at my first charging point shortly before four o'clock. I charge up to 70% and then drive straight to my second stopover past Hanover.
After the first charging stop I set the adaptive cruise control at 130 km / h. However, the traffic does not allow 130 km / h. The result (in later consultation with the instructors of Prodrive also confirmed) is that despite the considerably lower speed than 130 km / h the consumption does increase drastically. If there is a bit of space, the Jaguar itself pulls up to 130 km / h and then slows down again. That does the car in peace, but this eats energy. So it is even more sensible, even with the adaptive cruise control, to look at the traffic image and adjust the setting accordingly. You can of course easily do this with a button on the steering wheel.
I liked the strategy for the return journey better. The car also gives neatly after about 2 hours that you have to drink a cup of coffee. If the German car manufacturers united in IONITY (not to be confused with Innogy) and keep their fast charging network at the end of 2019, there is no difference anymore between driving in a Tesla or an alternative like I-PACE, when it comes to daily use and longer trips.

The cooperation between Jaguar and Plugsurfing regarding charging options means that Tesla's free supercharging will not make the difference with alternative models in terms of price. For I-PACE drivers, for a fixed amount per month (40.00 euro in Dld probably slightly cheaper in the Netherlands) the first 30 minutes are free with fast charging (iig also with Fastned already having 175 kW chargers). On the other hand, the Tesla models are still more expensive to purchase, even if charging is free. The only difference in this case is a taste issue. Either you find a Tesla beautiful or the Jaguar. In any case, I have a lot of respect for Jaguar regarding the introduction of the first real alternative for the (current) Teslas.
Note: The demo was on wide rubber and 20 inch rims. With the 18-inch rims and the slightly narrower tires on the S version, the consumption is probably 10% lower.


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Re: Enschede (NL) to Berlin and back

Post by John32 » Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:16 pm

r0bs0n wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:56 am
Do keep in mind this author is a Jaguar employee, training dealers on the car. This means his findings will be biased.
Not true. He works for ProDrive, an independent car training company (specialising in sports car training). ProDrive is not tied to one car manufacturer.

The training he’ll give is to I-PACE owners, offered by Jaguar NL, which is cool!


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