[Cornishblue]

Thank for the comments about the requirements for your home supply to accomodate a home charger. I currently have 60AMP, as my house is an older build. To go to 100 AMP isn't cost effective, as it would need a whole lot of trench work etc. As a result I'm upgrading to 80AMP, which I understand will be suffice for a 7 kWh home charger. Especially if charging over night, when little else is consuming any power.
Time will tell. I was interested to know what other people had experienced, as I hadn't even thought about having to upgrade my home electricity supply, until I had placed my order!

 

[Snoerd]

Thank for the comments about the requirements for your home supply to accomodate a home charger. I currently have 60AMP, as my house is an older build. To go to 100 AMP isn't cost effective, as it would need a whole lot of trench work etc. As a result I'm upgrading to 80AMP, which I understand will be suffice for a 7 kWh home charger. Especially if charging over night, when little else is consuming any power.
Time will tell. I was interested to know what other people had experienced, as I hadn't even thought about having to upgrade my home electricity supply, until I had placed my order!

But the question to me is still why you had to upgrade your home electricity supply, because 60Amp is more than enough in normal situations. Even with 7,5kW charging in use, you still have 28 Amp available which seems more than enough for any normal house? In The Netherlands, many people have either 3x25Amp or 1x40 Amp. The 1x40 is a bit tricky, but there are solutions to lower the output to the car when you consume a lot of energy in the rest of your house (load balancing). So during the night, you would get full power to the car, while the car will charge slower when you use induction cooking, your kettle and your oven at the same time ;-)

Is 60Amp really insufficient for your situation?

 

[Jelle v/d Meer]

But the question to me is still why you had to upgrade your home electricity supply, because 60Amp is more than enough in normal situations. Even with 7,5kW charging in use, you still have 28 Amp available which seems more than enough for any normal house? In The Netherlands, many people have either 3x25Amp or 1x40 Amp. The 1x40 is a bit tricky, but there are solutions to lower the output to the car when you consume a lot of energy in the rest of your house (load balancing). So during the night, you would get full power to the car, while the car will charge slower when you use induction cooking, your kettle and your oven at the same time ;-)

Is 60Amp really insufficient for your situation?

Yeah wondering what kind of electronic gear people have - my house runs on 1x 35A and because I have no gas connection we also cook on Electric,
never had any issues with insufficient capacity.

That said I am considering upgrade my house to 3x 25A due to the incoming I-pace as drawing an extra 16A might cause problems :-(. My earlier plan for 32A load balancing I scratched as too much hassle for too little gain also the monthly cost for load balancing was not worth it - I can charge 32A at work without problem, there is a free 50kW DC loader at the nearby Lidl and any direction I travel for longer distances there is a Fastned charging station most being upgraded to 175kW.

 

[Melkie]

But the question to me is still why you had to upgrade your home electricity supply, because 60Amp is more than enough in normal situations. Even with 7,5kW charging in use, you still have 28 Amp available which seems more than enough for any normal house? In The Netherlands, many people have either 3x25Amp or 1x40 Amp. The 1x40 is a bit tricky, but there are solutions to lower the output to the car when you consume a lot of energy in the rest of your house (load balancing). So during the night, you would get full power to the car, while the car will charge slower when you use induction cooking, your kettle and your oven at the same time ;-)

Is 60Amp really insufficient for your situation?

Yeah wondering what kind of electronic gear people have - my house runs on 1x 35A and because I have no gas connection we also cook on Electric,
never had any issues with insufficient capacity.

That said I am considering upgrade my house to 3x 25A due to the incoming I-pace as drawing an extra 16A might cause problems :-(. My earlier plan for 32A load balancing I scratched as too much hassle for too little gain also the monthly cost for load balancing was not worth it - I can charge 32A at work without problem, there is a free 50kW DC loader at the nearby Lidl and any direction I travel for longer distances there is a Fastned charging station most being upgraded to 175kW.

Isn't switching to 3x25A in fact a downgrade..? You'll have max 25A available to charge your I-Pace, while you've got 35A now... Investing in loadbalancing would be a better idea in my opinion?

 

[Jelle v/d Meer]

Isn't switching to 3x25A in fact a downgrade..? You'll have max 25A available to charge your I-Pace, while you've got 35A now... Investing in loadbalancing would be a better idea in my opinion?

Well going from 35A to in total 75A for me is a massive upgrade to ensure sufficient capacity for the long term future.
I expect my current house runs between 25A-35A meaning adding 16A charger will for sure put it over capacity and don't want to hassle about timing when to charge. Global warming already made me think to install air conditioning so would need that extra capacity anyway.

Even with load balancing the max I can get is 25A instead of 16A - better for sure but for me not worth the monthly money. For me home charging will be my secondary way of charging, charging at work at 32A is my primary way of charging - this also being far cheaper for my employer.

 

[Getjaggywithit]

Global warming already made me think to install air conditioning so would need that extra capacity anyway.

Oh the irony... :lol:

 

[pivoking]

Global warming already made me think to install air conditioning so would need that extra capacity anyway.

Oh the irony... :lol:

Hahaha, my thoughts exactly

 

[pivoking]

Isn't switching to 3x25A in fact a downgrade..? You'll have max 25A available to charge your I-Pace, while you've got 35A now... Investing in loadbalancing would be a better idea in my opinion?

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Even with load balancing the max I can get is 25A instead of 16A - better for sure but for me not worth the monthly money.

What do you mean "monthly money"? With the Eneco charging point, loadbalancing is basically included. Or perhaps a one off fee or a small monthly fee (I forgot). At NewMotion, it's the same. Or do you mean upgrading to 3x35, because yes, that is very expensive!

 

[Jelle v/d Meer]

What do you mean "monthly money"? With the Eneco charging point, loadbalancing is basically included. Or perhaps a one off fee or a small monthly fee (I forgot). At NewMotion, it's the same. Or do you mean upgrading to 3x35, because yes, that is very expensive!

Yes the connection fee I think is €4.25 excl VAT and then load balancing another €5 excl VAT - not a whole lot but I do not really need it. Also the charger system itself is €800 more expensive so I rather use that money to upgrade my electricity connection to 3x 25A for the furure and get a standard 3 phase 16A charger - the I-pace might only be able to use 1 phase but a next car will likely be able to use 3 phases.

 

[funkwhiz]

I am in the same boat. I have 1x35A and do not need a heavy 3x35A, also to avoid the associated €60/month capacity subcharge. Any change is expensive, but I see it as an investment for the future.

I had my connection changed to 3x25A, and ordered a 32A Eve ICU mini charger (same one as Eneco offering), software limited to 25A. In combination with dynamic loadbalancing. This is standalone without backoffice or subscription. The ICU alone is €1.228,- but I consider it future proof - it can be reset to 22kW any time if needed. It allows me to charge at maximum 75% of the fastest AC charge speed without the capacity subcharge.

 

[pivoking]

I am in the same boat. I have 1x35A and do not need a heavy 3x35A, also to avoid the associated €60/month capacity subcharge. Any change is expensive, but I see it as an investment for the future.

I had my connection changed to 3x25A, and ordered a 32A Eve ICU mini charger (same one as Eneco offering), software limited to 25A. In combination with dynamic loadbalancing. This is standalone without backoffice or subscription. The ICU alone is €1.228,- but I consider it future proof - it can be reset to 22kW any time if needed. It allows me to charge at maximum 75% of the fastest AC charge speed without the capacity subcharge.

Me too. But I decided to stick with the 1x35 and got the 'Eneco Eve with load balancing . It will charge mostly during night time and then I use almost 0 energy. And still cook in gas. So no need to change to 3x25 as 1x35 will give me the highest charging speed at night. And 3x35 indeed is very expensive, as is 1x40.

And basically with discussed this in a different topic

 

[yourburton]

Same here, I am also looking at a loadbalancing solution. The somfy charger is able to do that without a montly fee. Is there anyone here who has experience with the Somfy charger?

 

[Cornishblue]

Thank for the comments about the requirements for your home supply to accomodate a home charger. I currently have 60AMP, as my house is an older build. To go to 100 AMP isn't cost effective, as it would need a whole lot of trench work etc. As a result I'm upgrading to 80AMP, which I understand will be suffice for a 7 kWh home charger. Especially if charging over night, when little else is consuming any power.
Time will tell. I was interested to know what other people had experienced, as I hadn't even thought about having to upgrade my home electricity supply, until I had placed my order!

But the question to me is still why you had to upgrade your home electricity supply, because 60Amp is more than enough in normal situations. Even with 7,5kW charging in use, you still have 28 Amp available which seems more than enough for any normal house? In The Netherlands, many people have either 3x25Amp or 1x40 Amp. The 1x40 is a bit tricky, but there are solutions to lower the output to the car when you consume a lot of energy in the rest of your house (load balancing). So during the night, you would get full power to the car, while the car will charge slower when you use induction cooking, your kettle and your oven at the same time ;-)

Is 60Amp really insufficient for your situation?

I spoke to a couple of the providers of home chargers and they both felt 60 AMP may be a problem for a 7 kWh charger and suggested 3.5kwh may be the best option. It does of course depend on what else is running, although I am not familiar with the power currently being used, although with double ovens and induction hob I was told it would be better With 80 AMP. I did point out I would be charging at night, so it shouldn't be a problem, which the home charge provider did agree with. He also mentioned how they could provide a solution to reduce the power to the car when there was heavy usage elsewhere. I feel upgrading to 80AMP will give me more flexibility, so I will console myself with that 😂

 

[ChrisMc]

As a matter of interest, can I enquire (ball park figure will do) what does it cost to upgrade to 80A.?

 

[johnd]

As a matter of interest, can I enquire (ball park figure will do) what does it cost to upgrade to 80A.?

Think it will vary considerably depending on your existing wiring. If the supply into the house is deemed adequate then it could be as simple as pulling the main 60A fuse and replacing with an 80A one. OTOH a substantial rewire might be required, including potentially into the house, which could be ££££'s.

 

[timbray]

• Ensure house has enough power; no problem, 80A, and our old electrician who's been taking care of us for years is all excited about putting in a car charger.

• Buy a 35A charger (from flo.ca)

• Find a contractor to build a carport.

• While waiting for the city to approve carport plan…

• Get our regular paving people to dig up our footpath for a trench out to where the carport is and lay 12 inches of dry sand in it

• Get electrician to drill yet another hole in the side of the house and lay electrical conduit in the trench

• Put another 12 inches of sand on top of the conduit

• Put electrical safety tape on top of the sand [This is where we are today]

• Get the electrical inspector to come in and approve

• Fill trench, put the sidewalk back.

• (at some later point) build the carport and wire up the charger.

It'll all be worth it! (I hope.)

Also, we're going to put lighting in the carport and wire it up to a HomeLink light switch which I think I can program the I-Pace's garage-door-opener switch to control.

 

[Cornishblue]

As a matter of interest, can I enquire (ball park figure will do) what does it cost to upgrade to 80A.?

My supplier is Western Power and ive been quoted £311 for a replacement. If, as has been mentioned, you need new wiring, it can be considerably more.

 

[ChrisMc]

As a matter of interest, can I enquire (ball park figure will do) what does it cost to upgrade to 80A.?

My supplier is Western Power and ive been quoted £311 for a replacement. If, as has been mentioned, you need new wiring, it can be considerably more.

Thanks for that, just curious what the costs would have been.