[Delta5]

The way to avoid a dealers mark up is to buy a car at trade price with existing Jag warranty current and renew with extended warranty

Not many cars offered by private sellers

 

[TobyYarwood]

I only saw a statement. 😀

Margins tend to make depreciation feel worse, bearing it is principally a one off sunk cost.

If you'd kept it longer the margin would have had less overall impact on your depreciation.

Of course the margin has to contribute towards the running costs of the business, collection, prep and so on. Not a huge amount left (but enough).

The only valid measure, because it is what impacts and what most do is retail to trade. Of course you can mitigate both ends of this to an extent as @HarryTheGingerCat pointed out. But then the risk profile is different.

Good answer. The question was in the title

 

[TobyYarwood]

Good answer. The question was in the title

 

[HarryTheGingerCat]

I tried to purchase a HSE private sale (same spec as mine) with 1y extended warranty remaining for 3k saving. (It did have 50k not 27 like this one though) So big savings can be had, I was beaten to it though.

 

[ZaphodBeeblebrox]

I tried to purchase a HSE private sale (same spec as mine) with 1y extended warranty remaining for 3k saving. (It did have 50k not 27 like this one though) So big savings can be had, I was beaten to it though.

It's variable. I am a year in and the market uas changed. But when I bought mine it was 2 years approved and a pod point.

At the time I couldn't have saved 3k by buying privately. But it's a good route if you can make it work which it seems to currently.

 

[Delta5]

I don’t think milage is a problem they seem just as likely to have problems at 10k as 50k, batteries hold up well, the important feature is a continuing Jag warranty.

 

[eUKenGB]

I guess the OP has all the opinions they need, but I’m going to add mine anyway. 😀

Like at least one other here, I went to an original I-Pace launch event, my first drive in an EV and I‘ve wanted one ever since. Even though many other EVs have been launched in the meantime, the I-Pace always remained top of my list as I want a car, not an iPad on wheels.

The only other car of this category that interested me was the Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo, but I abhor Porsche’s attitude and decision that their customers canNOT have One Pedal Driving. Besides, it would be twice the price of an I-Pace so out of contention.

Before purchase I was well aware of the shortcomings of Jaguar ownership and their disastrous ‘rebranding’ plans (all covered in detail in other threads), but no other car appeals to me in the way the I-Pace does. The way it looks, internally and externally and the way it drives. I see its discontinuation as a positive, meaning there will never be a newer version to tempt me.

The way I always think when contemplating which car to buy is if I bought that car and while driving it saw another former contender for my purchasing decision, how would I feel. Would I be thinking “wish I had one of those” or would I simply think, “nice car”. For me, the I-Pace was always the latter and I never find myself looking at another car and wishing I had one of those.

If you decide to go for an I-Pace, you then need to decide what year and that may be determined by how much you want to spend. Early cars are very ‘well priced‘ these days and some great deals can be had on later cars. The later cars incorporate some improvements, but also lost some features. What is important to you, only you can say.

I wish Jaguar was a great company to deal with and that they’d done a better job of keeping the I-Pace updated, but I still wouldn’t have any other EV.

 

[sprattman1]

Hi ladies and gents. I'm looking for some iPace advice.

I've been a huge fan of the car, and I'm finally able to afford a 2nd hand version, but I'm concerned about reliability and servicing.

Firstly, with jaguar's new global direction I've heard that many jaguar dealerships are closing down, and therefore may not be able to service the vehicle or get parts.

If Jaguar is potentially shutting down, where would I find replacement parts for servicing?

Secondly, I've heard stories about iPaces being stuck in dealerships for over five months because on ongoing issues or lack of parts.

So my question is, is it still worth it? If you were me, would you go ahead and buy one, or get something from another manufacturer instead?

Thanks all, really appreciate the advice.

Chris

At least your asking questions! Yes, my 2020 i-pace was stuck in a dealer in Charlotte NC for just short of 6 months. The "part" was the battery cell. They replaced mine i think 4 times, each going bad within a few miles. Eventually they bought it back with a trade deal for a 2024 i-pace. They did ghost me seriously through out the months but did provide a land rover loaner for my use.
I don't think jaguar is closing up but their direction is more woke than Bud-light and last year their b'ness was down 97% and I THINK they sold less that 100 cars as a company. Seems their marketing went pretty gay/woke. I'd keep an eye on the leadership for direction.
The car is damn fun and gets positive comments weekly. It's made a splash for sure.

Hi ladies and gents. I'm looking for some iPace advice.

I've been a huge fan of the car, and I'm finally able to afford a 2nd hand version, but I'm concerned about reliability and servicing.

Firstly, with jaguar's new global direction I've heard that many jaguar dealerships are closing down, and therefore may not be able to service the vehicle or get parts.

If Jaguar is potentially shutting down, where would I find replacement parts for servicing?

Secondly, I've heard stories about iPaces being stuck in dealerships for over five months because on ongoing issues or lack of parts.

So my question is, is it still worth it? If you were me, would you go ahead and buy one, or get something from another manufacturer instead?

Thanks all, really appreciate the advice.

Chris

At least your asking questions! Yes, my 2020 i-pace was stuck in a dealer in Charlotte NC for just short of 6 months. The "part" was the battery cell. They replaced mine i think 4 times, each going bad within a few miles. Eventually they bought it back with a trade deal for a 2024 i-pace. They did ghost me seriously through out the months but did provide a land rover loaner for my use.
I don't think jaguar is closing up but their direction is more woke than Bud-light and last year their b'ness was down 97% and I THINK they sold less that 100 cars as a company. Seems their marketing went pretty gay/woke. I'd keep an eye on the leadership for direction.
The car is damn fun and gets positive comments weekly. It's made a splash for sure.

 

[Craig1342]

Hi ladies and gents. I'm looking for some iPace advice.

I've been a huge fan of the car, and I'm finally able to afford a 2nd hand version, but I'm concerned about reliability and servicing.

Firstly, with jaguar's new global direction I've heard that many jaguar dealerships are closing down, and therefore may not be able to service the vehicle or get parts.

If Jaguar is potentially shutting down, where would I find replacement parts for servicing?

Secondly, I've heard stories about iPaces being stuck in dealerships for over five months because on ongoing issues or lack of parts.

So my question is, is it still worth it? If you were me, would you go ahead and buy one, or get something from another manufacturer instead?

Thanks all, really appreciate the advice.

Chris

I have a 2020 SE, loved the car! Fast, smooth, well built, not sure why dealerships are getting hammered on here, maybe I just have a good one.
Just be aware, they are a good car but when they go wrong they are costly to repair, mine came up with the dreaded gearbox fault, £12,000 to repair, new front drive motor, park lock actuator, and PCSB. The dealer fixed in a week, I got 40% contribution from JLR so cost me £6,600 but I never took the extended JLR warranty which would have covered the repair. We live and learn!
Not sure if would entertain another to risky and costly. And they depreciate more than any car I have ever known.

 

[Pacey]

The trouble is that each dealer is having to learn from scratch what to do. Tesla didnt have a dealer network so had a trained hit squad to travel and sort out cars.

We now know that the remedies for those faults can be reasonably straightforward if the right people are on the job. The tricky part is finding them.

 

[jeffreycooper1963]

We now know that the remedies for those faults can be reasonably straightforward if the right people are on the job. The tricky part is finding them.

I'm not actually sure that we need "highly trained" mechanics - JLR really put no effort in whatsoever; they just farmed out the production, and didn't bother getting workshops at least even up to speed. You "should" be able to just turn the main contactor off, and totally isolate the 400V battery from the rest of the car, and then work in total safety - but even there, no thought was put into repair processes - or was it, and actually it was just seen as a massive profit stream ? The whole design of the car seems to push all repairs into stupidly high repair costs that people are almost forced, or at least in the early years, to use a £200/hour dealership.

As much as I enjoyed looking at my car, and driving it on open non-potholed roads, I think my time with JLR is over given what I "thought" could happen. Daft thing is, my car was probably one of the good ones !!!!

 

[Pacey]

it's not only the £200 per hour.
Going to a main dealer should mean they have all the tools and experience to do it quickly rather than taking it to someone who takes longer learning what to do but who charges less GBP per hour.

An EV is supposed to be simpler and easier to maintain than an ICE.
Remember the headline service costs £200 every 2 years 21k miles.
Who knew every other service £600+ for brake hoses?

It is a very very nice car though

 

[C Kenning]

Thank you all, some great advice there. Will have a good think and see whether heart wins out over head!

 

[ZaphodBeeblebrox]

The brake hose requirement is across all JLR products pretty much.

Certification and maintainability seem problematic, I don't know if an IPace is any better or worse than other designs in this regard.

Even something as trivial as changing batteries seems a bit awkward, even when switched off and both disconnected there seems the potential for the various subsystems to become energised in order to attempt to maintain the started battery.

The only way it can be genuinely safe would seem to be HV isolation, but that requires an L2 cert (and presumably more than the switch under the rear seat).

It make ls it difficult to progress anything with diagnostic method and there is little wonder most independents are uninterested.

Mechanical type repairs become risky as a result, at least an ice with disconnected 12v isn't going to electrocute you if you stick the screwdriver in the wrong place, your ev might (especially if problems are within things like DC-DC conversion.

A result is repairs become formulaic and by rote. Leading to things likes motor replacement when quite possibly an oil change would have cured thing - or at least had a chance. On some occasions maybe even 12 battery change would have done the trick.

A result is a number become uneconomic at a young age, a bit of a problem with ICE too but seems less so.

Whilst it may be a low proportion (hard to tell because finding the number of something left now is trivial, but the number that used to exist is damn near impossible) that's no consolation to the individuals.

The average repair cost per capita may well be reasonable, but at the individual level it's either low or often unmanageable - especially for second owners.

 

[electric beagle]

Every car I have ever owned has had a brake line replacement as part of the 6 year service. It's a bit like the 5 year timing belt change on ICE cars. There is much that is unreasonable about JLR and their dealerships but this item is not one of them in my opinion.

There seems to be no other large service jobs beyond this like you would normally find in similar ICE car, no timing belt, no DSG gearbox and oil change, no haldex clutch oil change, spark plugs replacements etc.

 

[Pacey]

Still a fair few on the road

JAGUAR I-PACE EV400 S - How Many Left?

Statistics for JAGUAR I-PACE EV400 S.. See how many cars of any make and model are left on Britain's roads.

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JAGUAR I-PACE EV400 SE - How Many Left?

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JAGUAR I-PACE EV400 HSE - How Many Left?

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[ZaphodBeeblebrox]

TLDR; I was trying to avoid too much length. But I don't think there much evidence of generally poor durability.

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Yes, but it doesn't give any insight into the question:-

"How many were originally on the road but are not any more because they broke and were uneconomic to repair".

That's perhaps indicative of potential durability issues.

When I was locating a fuse (thanks again) I trawled Ebay, Trents, Norfolk Breakers and EV Breakers in NI.

There were only about 25 different vehicles I could identify. Looking at photos where available some of these were obvious insurance write offs. Some of the others would have been less obvious insurance jobs (eg any damage underneath or light side can easy write off).

But some had died an early death. Given the survival rate and unknowable numbers originally registered it does not seem particularly high.

There are lots of dead Ingenium diesel engined vehicles for example.

A generally common trait with vehicles of any type now seems to be either it's no problem at all, or it's a disaster.

 

[SonnyA85]

It's a damn site better value at £20k than those of us who paid £86k its literally the worst purchasing decision I have ever made.

It's a good car when all goes well but dealer support (and the dealers are awful), is key. You need to budget a sizeable amount for warranty. I wouldn't buy another and there is better value out there for used buyers.

Did anyone pay anywhere near £86k? They were available for like £45K pre-reg but new

 

[Steevh]

Yes, of course they did; either directly or most likely through a lease/PCP. The £40k ish 'new' cars is a phenomenon within the last 6-8 months.

 

[electric beagle]

Did anyone pay anywhere near £86k? They were available for like £45K pre-reg but new

It was not an option to pay significantly less back when I bought mine in late 2020. I got a good discount and finance incentive but still paid over £70k